At first it gave me the same thing but it wore off after about a week.

Shoot for 6 meals a day and try to increase your caloric intake. You should also be training for size instead of strength.

age is a factor to putting on weight, idk how old you are but if you have a high metabolism like i do, it probably wont slow down till almost mid 20's, well slow down a whole lot. i take Mass XXX and have gotten some pretty good results. im on my 2nd tub and i put on like 10lbs with the first tub or close to it. id recommend taking 2 scoops in 14 ounces of milk twice a day, morning and night. another good gainer is Pro Complex although i have never tried it. if you do cardio, id say do half of what you would normally do for a workout.

Pro Complex is a really good protein its what i take but it is also pretty lean i think under 150 calories per serving not including what you mix it with, check out cyto gainer 1 shake with milk is almost 900 calories and if your tryin to bulk up i would say give it a shot, with just water i think it is somewhere around 400 or 500 calories

im sorry i was mixed up Pro Complex has 270 calories per serving

This answer may be unconventional, but give it a
try for six weeks or so. Do a
total body workout 2 times a
week. Example: on Monday do
squats, bench, dead lifts,
military press, rows, tricept
pushdowns, curls, and crunches. For the power lifts
warm up & do 2 sets of around 5 reps. For pusdowns &
curls do 2 sets of 8. Do 2 sets of crunches to failure.
On Thusday do everything except deadlifts, and go light, not pushing it hard for 2 sets. Increase your
calories with food & or a
weight gain shake. Don't
do too much cardio. I take
Gakic before my heavy workouts & I can do more
weight & reps.

Sorry, I've been moving all day. I'll give you one piece of advice, never try to move mid cycle, it messes up your lifting days. Totally unavoidable this time, but still, not a good idea.

I would do 100 mg 2x a day. Do it morning & lunch. With PH's you don't usually want to take them after 3 PM. Some can keep you up at night, and that's never a good thing, as you need to sleep to have GH help with the growth process.

Yes. Most people take at least 200 mg per day.

Some even go as high as 350 mg.

Since this is non-methylated, you won't have any liver issues, and your lipid profile won't suffer because of the dosage, which are all good things.

So I would definitely go up to at least 200 and see how you feel.

cool, should i do 50 mg in 4 separate does than? Or 2 doses at 100mg?

Actually I would have to say it is a constant itchy feeling for the last 30-45 minutes. Is there any way I can continue my cycle safely

The itchy feeling is gone now. Dont know if that matters or not. Just wanted to update that

An itchy or tenderness feeling is alright and nothing to worry about. If you feel excess tenderness or start feeling growth within the tissue, then you may be starting to experience a little bit of gyno. Keep a close eye on this.

-AP

If you're talking about VyoTech's 17HD or similar PH, then no. I wouldn't stack these products with any synthetic. That particular has been discontinued anyway.

-AP

It can, but not sure why you would want to. 17HD is a fake prohormone anyway. Very weak and try to trick yuou with the made up structure of the proprietary belnd.

Is this your first time through an Epistane cycle??

No, I once did a Epistane Trendrol cycle

OK, just checking, because 2 bottles is probably too much for a first time cycle.

I would run at least 200 mg of Furazadrol, and if you feel you could take more, some people run it as high as 300 mg.

Run the same amount of epi that you ran with your tren/epi stack.

Yes, Creatine and a pre-workouts are very beneficial, even when on cycle.

I rotate between SuperPump250, Jacked, and NO Shotgun. After a month of not using it, you should feel the effects again. Once again, start with the lowest effective dose.

-AP

Actually, I would advise against a pre-workout that is a NO supplement when on cycle.

My friend and I have both had to stop our NO supplements, he's on Tren, I'm on Epistane, because the pumps were too much. It ended up limiting motion, which is not a good thing at the gym.

Also, Creatine is not completely necessary, as your body is already in a crazy anabolic state, so the ATP is already surging at high rates to your muscle fibers, so by adding Creatine, you're not necessarily enhancing the effect. It's actually better to do your Creatine load, or start taking your Creatine a week before you finish your cycle, so that when you're done your muscles are flush at that time with Creatine & ATP for energy.

True, garlick. Some compounds give an insane pump as it is. It all depends on the individual.

If you just need focus, straight up caffeine will be better than adding an NO product into the mix.

-AP

Epithin-E and Epistane are EXACTLY the same chemical (which is 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol 10mg) which would yield exactly the same results.
If your set on that route, buy the cheaper one. And it looks like the cheaper one is Epistane...

rafine, let me know how that stack goes. I'm seriously considering running that one next time around, probably 6 months from now, but I want to get some feedback from someone on that.

Epistane has been as advertised for me so far, I'm 16 days in, so this stack should be very effective for you, but I would love to hear your experience.

Simple. Your building muscle at an astronomical rate so you simply recover faster.
Many pro bodybuilders are big time juicers and they recover so fast they can do intense workouts and hit the same Muscle Group multiple times a week.
Now you would be able to judge personally how often you can hit each body part depending on your own body and how you react to certain prohormones. But for the most part you should require half the recovery time so I would say twice a week for every body part is sufficient when on a PH.

http://www.elitefitness.com/resources/rx/

this is not a site to buy from but a resource page of reputable online shops.

Hey man, just remember, the same workout might work great for one person, but not for the other. Try mixing up your training.

What supplements are you all taking?

What does your daily diet look like?

What does your workouts look like (exercise split, sets, reps)?

Give us this info and we'll try and spot the problem.

-AP

There's no way your test is low, that's definitely not the issue.

Everybody's system is different, so please don't compare yourself to your brother, that's absolutely the last thing you need to do.

Is your brother a basketball player like you?? Or does he play another sport?? That's the first question I would need answered before I give you a possible solution.

i do alot high wiehgt i can bench alot my stength gains r good but not mass i take gasparie's Monster Mass stack and he does play basketball he weights 21 and is same hieght...i weigh more cus he has smaller legs my legs r extremely strong in hs i broke 2 records with them thts the only reason i weigh more he is 20 yrs old and all my weights r going up and stuff but my mass isnt. I do usually 6-10 reps with 4 sets in each exercise. for chest i do incline, decline, flat, all sorts of flys, and every other thing possible for back i do pull-ups latpulldown seated rowns bent rows power cleans and much much more now dont get me wrong im a big guy my shooulders are big and its my chest and back tht wont gain mass. my sisters a dietition so iuts not tht cus she gave me a deit tht many bodybuilders use and its loaded with things i need to stay healthy while taking in alot of protien creatine and other things found naturtally in food.

Well that makes a little more sense. Your brother is a couple years older than you, and he's just filling in his body at his age. It's probably that you possibly have an inch or two left to grow. If your body is focused on growing up, or strengthening your muscle structure, then you won't put on weight.

Still, you're absolutely right, you're a big guy. 6'4" 220 are some really good measurables as it stands.

If you're a basketball player, you may not want to add too much more mass.

If you're really concerned about it, just wait till you get to college, the trainers there will definitely be able to get the most out of you at that time.

Still, I think you should just be patient. Once your body tells itself you can add more weight, you will easily.

Sorry the first paragraph should have said bone structure, not muscle structure.

A steroid. Illegal in the US without a prescription.

80...;) ok thanks...

no worries.

The tren is just a chemical compounds, so if the company selling the product lists the same chemical compound, then it is identical. The only thing you have to worry about is either fillers or a company that has a reputation of selling contaminated products.

With Competitive Edge, they have a pretty descent reputation of selling the same quality product for lower costs.

From what I can gather their version of H-Drol & Tren Clone are just as good as Xtreme Tren.

ACL's xtreme tren is actually just a copy of Trenadrol from Kilosport.

Whoa, Tren Xtreme has been pulled from the market I believe. I went to check online today for it and its not in any retailers.
As far as potency compared to ACL's Tren Xtreme, Xtreme Tren has been tested for its potency and verified the amounts of active ingredient.
On a side note although Tren offers amazing gains, the sides leave your body in a state of shock long after the cycle as well as throwing off unseen hormonal damage for sometimes months.

The reason that it isn't around anymore is that the FDA sent American Cellular (the company that makes Xtreme Tren) a letter warning them about the content of their products and their close correlation to steroids.

-AP

Hey Jordan, I don't know anything personally about tren and PH's, but I will tell you to make sure you know what you're getting into, and more importantly what you'll need to take DURING the cycle and what PCT you'll need after. Have all your info and all your supplies before you get into it.

You seem to know what you're doing on the nutrition side, and working out, you're definitely hitting it hard. So I can imagine your getting some good results currently.

PH's are meant to boost a good regiment, so you definitely would be a good candidate from that perspective.

There's just one thing I would caution, don't do anything just because "you might miss out." That's totally the wrong reason to do anything.

PH's have side effects, and they're very dangerous if you don't know exactly what you're doing. The benefits can be great, but no one knows exactly how their body is going to respond until they actually start taking something. This means there's a great risk to them that needs to be considered very carefully, and studied.

If you feel you can handle the on cycle support & do a correct PCT, and you feel you're ready to take on the risks associated with the PH's, then go ahead.

If, on the other hand, you're wanting to jump in just because your store has a limited supply, then stay away.

Trust me, there will be more compounds and newer supplements later that you can take that will replace the PH's that are currently on the market.

One thing is certain, the chemists are way ahead of the government when it comes to these things, so there will be new stuff that will be hot in a couple years, that might be better than any PH currently on the market.

Nobody should ever tell you if you should do something, so I'm not going to now, that decision is up to you.

If you want help once you decide, then come back and ask, and you'll get the information you need.

Good luck.

Hey whiteman, I myself have no experience in that department, but I would definitely recommend you look up petey's profile and shoot him an email. I know that he would have specific answers and would be able to put you on the right path. His email is listed under his profile, and he's helped me with my more difficult or technical questions. The other guys on here might be able to help you also. Good luck.

A SERM will actually reduce and in some cases, eliminate Gyno. It's actually what doctors prescribe when you present with Gyno. So Nolvadex or Clomid are what you would get from the doc.

Like Garlick said, a SERM will help reduce gyno and can reverse it, but only if it is minor. Their use might be limited to soreness and puffiness of the nipples or if you feel some firmness starting to develop.

If you have a more severe case of gyno, there really is no way to get rid of it. It is different than just having man boobs from fat deposits, as the gynomecostia is the development of actual breast tissue. So if you have actual breast development the only real option for getting rid of it is surgery.

-AP

Good to know, thanks to all of you for the help... Good things to know not to mess around with this then

Its supposed to be half as effective but you also run twice the length of the cycle so your gains will be slower but more prolonged. Epistane sides are minimal to begin with so I did not see much reason to limit them and. Also when using a PH its nice to notice a little more kick to them rather than the slow gains that are more similar to natural training.
Alot of people have ran puled cycles though with great results so I would not dismiss them totally.

For stuff like Epistane and Havoc, you would be better off just running it straight through, but when it comes to harsher PH's, pulsing helps out your body by prolonging the cycle so it isn't as prone to shutdown and it can also help with strength gains. It's a pretty popular practice among bodybuilders that choose to run PH's or even real gear.

-AP